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  • Quantico Shooting Club: Precision/vintage sniper rifle match, Sept 28 & 29, 2018

    ON EDIT: I copy and pasted the info from the 2016 match as the info was not yet on the QSC website...but the old post had some errors and the QSC website has been updated, so I did a new cut and paste of the Sept 2018 match.

    (Note: I am going to lobby for a rules change to allow post-M21 type rifles in the modern category (ie, USMC DMR replicas, XM25/M25 replicas, etc.)

    This is fun, informal match for anyone who can attend that weekend.

    VINTAGE PRECISION RIFLE TEAM MATCH

    CLICK HERE to REGISTER by Sep 28, 2018

    September 29 & 30, 2018

    Registration starts at 0700 at the club house. Firing will begin on Range 4 at 0900 daily.


    Parking will be in the Weapon Bn parking lot by the flag pole. The only authorized vehicles down range will be the RSO and OIC. DO NOT drive down range to drop your gear off.


    Rifles Allowed: Any rifle configuration or item of equipment that is not mentioned in these rules or that is contrary to the intent and spirit of these rules is prohibited. CMP Rules: 6.0 with the addition of Vietnam Era and Modern Rifles. NO F-CLASS OR F-T/R rifles. Remington 700 PSS, tactical, and 5R are NOT M24’s or M40A1’s.


    Targets: Conventional SR & SR-3C, MR-1, & LR.


    Rests: Sand bags or pack that the shooters will provide for themselves. NO REAR REST, MONO-POD or SAND SOCKS. As-issued Harris bipods may be used with M40A3/5 and M24’s. The butt of the rifle will be supported by the shooters shoulder and non-firing hand only.


    Relays: Squading will take place on the 300 yard line. We are attempting to have paid pit pullers for a fee of $20 per shooter per day. If there isn’t enough paid pit pullers then relays 1 and 2 will shoot 1st on Sat, 3 and 4 will shoot first on Sun. Hat, eye and hearing protection is required to be worn in the pits.


    There will be 3 categories: Vintage, Vietnam and Modern. If categories are mixed it will be of the higher category.



    Saturday:

    MATCH 1: 300-yd prone, 5 minute sighter period for both shooters, 15 record shots per shooter, 10 sec. exposures, using the SR target.

    MATCH 2: 600-yd prone, 5 minute sighter period for both shooters, 15 record shots per shooter, 15 sec. exposures, using the SR-3 target.

    MATCH 3: 600-yd prone slow fire (pull and mark each shot), 2 sighters, and 20 record shots per shooter, using the SR-3 target (47 minutes/team).



    Sunday:

    MATCH 4: 800-yd prone slow fire, unlimited sighters, and 20 record shots per shooter using the MR-1 target (50 minutes/team).

    MATCH 5: 1000-yd prone slow fire, unlimited sighters, and 20 record shots per shooter using the LR target (50 minutes/team).



    Entry Fees:

    QSC members: $15/day Guest Fees: $20/day Pit Puller Fee: $20/day


    Allowed rifles

    See CMP Rules: 6.0 http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/CMPGamesRules.pdf


    M70:
    • Action: Winchester Model 70 long action with claw or push feed.
    • Optic: Unertl, Lyman Super Targetspot 8x, 10x, 12x with 1.5” front obj ¾” tube. Recoil spring will be removed. 3-9x 40mm Redfield w/ Redfield jr mount. Original or reproduction scopes and mount. No picatinny scope mount or scopes with tubes larger than 1”.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Heavy target barrel.
    • Caliber: 30.06
    • Stock: Wood sporter or marksman stock w/ glass bedded action.

    M40:
    • Action: Remington 700.
    • Optic: Redfield 3-9x 40mm w/ Redfield jr mount. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts. No target knobs, picatinny scope mount or scopes with tubes larger than 1”.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Remington Varmint contour.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: wood sporter type with integral cheek rest and glass bedded action.

    M21:
    • Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
    • Optic: M84, Redfield 3-9x 40mm with or without ART, Leatherwood 3-9x ARTII, and M-1000 2.5-10x 44mm. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts. No scopes with tubes larger than 1”
    • Barrel: Standard weight barrel only. No Medium or Heavy Barrels.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: Standard Mil spec wood stock and glass bedded action. No heavy contour match stocks.
    • The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
    • Flash hiders may be reamed.

    M40A1:
    • Action: Remington 700.
    • Optic: Redfield 3-9x 40mm, Weaver T-10, Unertl or USO MST-100 10x with Redfield jr or Unertl clip slot mount. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts. No picatinny scope mount or scopes with tubes larger than 1”.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Medium-heavy target barrel.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: McMillan A1 fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.

    M40A3:
    • Action: Remington 700.
    • Optic: Unertl or USO MST-100 10x, S&B PM II LP 3–12×50, or equivalent scope not exceeding 12x. DD Ross or Badger 30 min base with Badger Rings.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Medium-heavy target barrel.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: McMillan A4 fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.

    M40A5:
    • Action: Remington 700.
    • Optic: S&B PM II LP 3–12×50, Premier Reticle 3-15x50mm, or equivalent scope not exceeding 15x. DD Ross or Badger 30 min base with Badger rings.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Medium-heavy target barrel w/ Surefire MB762SSAL/RE.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: McMillan A4 fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.

    M24:
    • Action: Long Action Remington 700.
    • Optic: Leupold Ultra M3A 10×42mm or Leupold Mk 4 LR/T M3 10×40mm. Leupold base and rings.
    • Barrel Length: 24” Medium-heavy target barrel.
    • Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
    • Stock: H-S Precision PST-024.

    SVD Dragunov:
    • Optic: PSO-1 4x fixed.
    • Barrel Length: 24”.
    • Caliber: 7.62x54R
    • Stock: Skeletonized wooden stock.

    M1903A4:
    • (03A3 receiver, 03A3 hand-guard, no sights, C stock or scant-type stock)
    • M73B1 (Weaver 330C 2.5X telescope), M73B2, M81, M82, M84, 4x Stith-Kollmorgen. Non-issue scopes: Lyman Alaskan, Weaver K2.5
    • .30-06 cal.

    1941A1 Springfield:
    • (C stock, Standard 1903 sights with Unertl type scope on Unertl type mounts and bases)
    • Winchester A5, Winchester B5, Winchester B3, USMC original issue: Unertl 8X
    Sniper Telescope, Non-issue scopes: Unertl, Lyman or Fecker 6X or 8X scope with up to a 1.5” objective; Leatherwood Malcolm 3X or 6X, Note: All scopes must have external
    adjustment and no recoil spring.
    • .30.06 cal.

    M1C and M1D:
    • M81 (Lyman), M82, M84, Non-issue: Stith-Kollmorgen 4X, Lyman Alaskan
    • .30.06 cal.

    SAFN/M1949 (semi auto)

    .30-06, 7 mm, 7.65 mm, 8 mm

    (Used by several countries)

    OPI 4X scope, Echo mount


    Germany: Switzerland:

    8x57 mm Gewehr 98 7.5 mm M1931/42 Sniper Rifle

    8x57 mm Karbine 98 7.5 mm M1931/43 Sniper Rifle

    ZF4, ZF39, ZF41 1.8X in M1931/42,

    Non-issue: Weaver K4 2.8X in M1931/43,

    Gewehr 43 or Karbine 43 (semi-auto)

    ZF4




    Great Britain and Commonwealth USSR:

    Countries: 7.62 mm M1891/30 Mosin Nagant

    .303 cal. No. 1, Mk III Series SMLE PE, PU

    Aldis, Periscopic Prism scope, 7.62 mm Tokarev M 1938 (SVT-38)

    Winchester A5, William Malcolm 3X 7.62 mm Tokarev M 1940 (SVT-40)

    or 6X PU



    Great Britain and Commonwealth Yugoslavia & Czechoslovakia:

    Countries: 7.92 mm M1948 (YUG)

    .303 cal. Enfield No. 3 Mark I (T) or 7.92 mm VZ 24, with 24” or 30” barrels

    Pattern 1914 (T) or P-14 (T) (CZE)

    M1918 Telescope, Aldis, Periscopic ZF4, ZF39 variants, ZF41

    Prism scope, Winchester A5, Non-issue: Weaver K4

    William Malcolm 3X



    Great Britain and Commonwealth Sweden:

    Countries: 6.5 mm M41 series Sniper Rifles

    .303 cal. No. 4 Mark I (T) Ajack 4x90 mm (German),

    No. 32 (M32 variants) Aga 3x65 mm (M42 or M44)

    Non-issue: Lyman Alaskan, Non-issue: Weaver K4

    Weaver K2.5 or K3

    49

    ble 7-- Vintage Sniper Rifles and Scopesifles Scopes

    Japan:

    6.5 mm Type 38 Sniper Rifle

    6.5 mm Type 97 Sniper Rifle

    6.5 mm Type 99 Sniper Rifle

    7.7 mm Type 99 Sniper Rifle

    Original scopes only

    Event Date(s):

    Sat, 09/29/2018 - 07:00 to Sun, 09/30/2018 - 16:00
    Last edited by Random Guy; 08-26-2018, 06:47 AM.

  • #2
    Doubled check the dates with my buddy, the match is 9/29-9/30....Saturday/Sunday.

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    • #3
      Thanks for posting this!
      DW

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      • #4
        Does this mean that sand socks are back? I noticed it above.

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        • #5
          Gonna try to make this one!
          Since M40A3-5 are allowed it doesn't make sense that a 1983 era M21 with a medium barrel would not be allowed. Also the "no scopes with tubes larger than 1 inch" rule seems contradictory in places...

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          • #6
            Ok let me straighten some stuff out. The above posted match bulletin isn’t correct. The correct one has been posted on the QSC calendar. Sand socks are still not allowed. I was tired of people showing up using f-class rear rests claiming they were sand sock because they were filled with sand.

            When we first developed this match its was designed to include CMP Vintage, Vietnam era and M40A1’s. It has since changed to allow modern rifles, A3-5 and M24’s. We try and keep this match historically correct and not allow it to turn into some kind of fantasy f-class match.

            We are discussing creating a DMR category also to bring out more collector/shooters. Once we have all the build specs we’ll include them in the match. We are relatively knowledgeable with what the Marine Corps used, not so much with the Army and Navy. If anyone has legitimate build specs send them to me.

            What is so contradictory about requiring scopes no larger than 1” to be used on rifles that were issued with 1” scopes.

            The Vietnam era M21 has been in the match bulletin for years. I’m not going to throw you off the line if you have a medium barrel as long as the rest of the rifle is historically correct. What we don’t want is someone rolling up with a heavy barreled double lugged NM M1A with a 8-32x56 Nightforce claiming it’s a M21. We went thru this with the PSS’s with 10x 30mm Leopold’s claiming they were A1’s.

            And to all those who would “love to come to this match”. We have this match twice a year. Push yourself away from the keyboard, preregister, grab your gear and come on out. We’ve had guys come in from Illinois, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Maryland, and North Carolina.

            M21:
            · Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
            · Optic: M84, Redfield 3-9x 40mm with or without ART, Leatherwood 3-9x ARTII, and M-1000 2.5-10x 44mm. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts. No scopes with tubes larger than 1”
            · Barrel: Standard weight barrel only. No Medium or Heavy Barrels.
            · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
            · Stock: Standard Mil spec wood stock and glass bedded action. No heavy contour match stocks.
            · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
            · Flash hiders may be reamed.

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            • #7
              Ottoman, the army rebarreled M21 rifles with SAK / General Dynamics medium barrels in 1983. A 1983 M21 would be correct with the ART II scope and medium barrel. Since M40A3-5 and the M24 were later and all had much heavier barrels it seems odd to keep the M14 platform restricted to the Vietnam era XM21 standard weight barrels. So I'm glad to hear having a correct medium barrel on an M21 won't get one kicked off the firing line. Later 1980's army and navy M25's used medium barrels as well and had L&S ULTRA and B&L Tactical scopes. The M24 also used the L&S ULTRA. These are 30mm tubes. Since the M24 is mentioned as acceptable this is why I commented that it seemed contradictory to only allow 1 inch tubes. These are simply observations from an outsider and of course the rules will be whatever they will be. I truly hope to be able to come with some vintage rifles and join in. I am happy that the spirit of the day is to keep things "correct" and "vintage" and if the rules were Vietnam and earlier I think that would be fine. The only reason for my comment was that if M24's and M40A3-5 rifles are included then it would be nice to include the army rifles of corresponding eras. This is offered in a friendly spirit and is absolutely not intended to be confrontational in any way. Thank you.

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              • #8
                Jim, I updated the original post in this thread to reflect the current/correct QSC website data for the match. (I was lazy and re-posted the 2016 match data but with new dates, my bad).

                I respectfully submit the following suggestions re the "post-M21" era re precision/sniper M14 type rifles in the modern category, based on a fair amount of research that I have done re this topic. I have learned a lot about US Army and Navy precision M14-based weapons that were built in relatively low volumes from the late 1980s to the late 2000s. For example of variants with pics see: https://m14forum.com/m14/400354-post...azy-horse.html

                Historical notes re production volumes: The XM25 rifle and Navy Physical Security Sniper Rifles were small production rifles with production limited to approx 250 XM25 rifles for the US Army Special Forces (mainly 5th and 10th SFG), or 320 in the case of the Navy Physical Security Sniper rifles circa 1989-1990 (mainly for SOCOM and Navy SEAL team usage). Unsure re Navy SSR production but McMillan Fiberglass Stocks did tell me that Crane ordered "approximately 200" of the tan M3A stocks for the late SSR rifles, which appears to have been a 2006 sole source procurement order. As for the USMC M14 DMR, one book on M14s states that as of mid-2007, the USMC had 381 DMRs in its inventory.

                One limitation that needs to be reinforced re these all these "post-M21" rifles is a scope magnification limit of 10x. (The only exception would be if the Navy Mk 14, Mod 2 circa 2011 were ultimately allowed, which used a 3-5-15x scope. Everything else was limited to 10x, which is important to keep the competition fair-ish)


                Vietnam category

                M21 (early):
                · Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
                · Optic: M84, Redfield 3-9x 40mm with or without ART, Leatherwood 3-9x ARTII, and M-1000 2.5-10x 44mm. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts. No scopes with tubes larger than 1”
                · Barrel: Standard weight barrel only. No Medium or Heavy Barrels.
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: Standard Mil spec wood stock and glass bedded action. No heavy contour match stocks.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                Modern Category

                M21 (late/post 1982): (See pic 1 for two M21 replicas: Vietnam/"early" on bottom and Modern/"late"on top)
                · Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
                · Optic: Leatherwood 3-9x ARTII, and M-1000 2.5-10x 44mm. Original or reproduction scopes and mounts in 3-9x magnification range. No scopes with tubes larger than 1”
                · Barrel: Standard or medium weight barrel only.
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: Standard Mil spec wood stock and glass bedded action.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                XM25 (circa post 1988) (See pic #2)
                Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
                · Optic: Leupold M3/M3A Ultra 10x with 30mm tube, or Baush & Lomb Tactical 10x with 30mm tube. Original or equivalent scopes with maximum magnification of 10x.
                · Barrel: Medium weight barrel
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: McMillan M1A fiberglass stock and BPT XM25 stock liner glass bedded into stock.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                M25 (circa post 1991) (See pic #3 & 4)
                Action: M1A or M14 no lugs.
                · Optic: Leupold M3/M3A Ultra, MK 4, fixed 10x with 30mm tube, or Baush & Lomb Tactical 10x with 30mm tube. Original or equivalent scopes with maximum magnification of 10x.
                · Barrel: Heavy weight barrel
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: McMillan M1A, M2A or M3A fiberglass stocks and glass bedded action.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                Navy Physical Security Sniper Rifle or Navy Port Security Rifle (circa 1989) (see pic #5 & 6)
                Rear lugged version (NSN: 1005-LL-H18-7615)
                Double lugged version (NSN: 1005-LL-H18-7614)
                Action: M1A or M14 with rear lugs or double lugs
                · Optic: Leupold M1A Ultra 10x, Baush & Lomb Tactical 10x, or Tasco Tactical 10x scope. All with 30mm tube. Original or equivalent scopes with maximum magnification of 10x.
                · Barrel: Heavy weight barrel
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: McMillan M1A fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                Navy Security Sniper Rifle (SSR) (circa 1996) (see pics #6)
                Based on NSN: 1005-LL-L99-5690
                Action: M1A or M14 with rear lug (early SSR) or no lugs (late SSR)
                · Optic: Leupold Mk 4, 10x with M1 turrets, SSR scope mount, and 30mm rings. Original or equivalent scopes with maximum magnification of 10x.
                · Barrel: Heavy weight barrel
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: McMillan M3A fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                USMC DMR M14 rifle (circa 2000) (see pics #7)
                Action: M1A or M14 with rear lug
                · Optic: Leupold Mk 4, 10x with M3 turrets,or Leupold Mk 4, 3.5-10x with M2 turrets, 40mm scopes, GG&G or Smith Enterprises scope mount, and 30mm rings. Original or equivalent scopes and with maximum magnification of 10x.
                · Barrel: Medium weight barrel
                · Caliber: .308 Winchester / 7.62mm NATO
                · Stock: McMillan M2A fiberglass stock and glass bedded action.
                · The gas cylinder and front band may be unitized.
                · Flash hiders may be reamed.

                Note: I did not include the SAGE chassis-based DMR type variants, but the history and configuration of these variants is well known, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_14_...d_Battle_Rifle
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                Last edited by Random Guy; 09-27-2018, 08:09 AM.

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                • #9
                  If you are planning on shooting the match, you must preregister on the QSC site.

                  https://quanticoshootingclub.com

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                  • #10


                    Didn't really take alot of pictures on this trip, but I thought this one was pretty cool...setting up on the 1000 Yard Berm! Special Thanks to Master Guns and his Marines for bringing out some A1's for everybody to shoot! Also I wanted to thank Quantico Shooting Club members for another outstanding weekend to remember....Brian, Jim and all the RSO's. Appreciate all the hard work fella's!
                    Last edited by Bildoe308; 10-05-2018, 11:22 PM.

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                    • SemperFi
                      SemperFi commented
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                      Sounds like fun! A little confused here, though. Those don't look like the scope rings I see when I'm behind my A1s. What's the story on that kit?

                    • Bildoe308
                      Bildoe308 commented
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                      Brought my A3 down.

                    • SemperFi
                      SemperFi commented
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                      Very nice. And, a two screw, too. Thank you.

                  • #11
                    Some pictures I took while RSO'ing. Includes Major Ed "Jim" Land the Father of the USMC Scout Sniper program who came out to spot and called the wind.
                    Last edited by Defender3; 10-05-2018, 10:15 AM.

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                    • #12
                      Looks like perfect weather too!

                      Maybe next year... Going to get my rifle now...

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